State and local cooperation seen as key to bringing local industry into compliance with the latest COVID-19 restrictions has gotten off to a slow start despite hundreds of recent complaints that local businesses are operating in violation of rules issued by Sacramento.

The top local authority on the matter said confusion about the restrictions persists locally despite two recent, largely redundant meetings with state officials that failed to clarify the restrictions and exactly how the county is expected to help enforce them.

"There's been no coordination to date and that is difficult for us at the local level,” said Kern County Public Health Services Director Matt Constantine.

The result has been a relatively hands-off approach in Kern — and a sense of frustration among local businesses that the state has failed to engage with them effectively.

‘NEEDED DIALOGUE’

Most if not all local businesses are doing their best following state guidelines, said Jay Tamsi, president and CEO of the Kern County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. But he said there needs to be a way for companies fighting for survival to share their concerns.

"While I applaud local and state officials for launching an educational outreach effort for local businesses, there is much needed dialogue and communication between the businesses and state and local authorities," Tamsi said by email Friday.

Late last month, after the county landed on a state watchlist by failing state metrics on COVID-19 containment, places of worship and various categories of businesses in Kern were ordered to cease indoor operations and either move outside or shut down. Others such as tattoo and piercing parlors were told to quit operating altogether.

That order came after Gov. Gavin Newsom's July 2 call to halt indoor operations at businesses including dine-in restaurants, movie theaters and family entertainment centers. Bars, breweries and pubs were told to close regardless of whether they could operate outdoors.

The intent is to slow the spread of a so-far incurable virus that's already pushed local hospitals to their limits.

LIST OF COMPLAINTS

Most of the 539 complaints filed with the county as of Thursday allege businesses are operating when they shouldn't be, Constantine said.

He said subsequent complaints have prompted 120 second warnings. Of those, 37 have allegedly refused to come into compliance, he said, forcing him to report them to a state task force set up by Gov. Newsom in early July.

It is unclear what the state has done with that information.

As of Tuesday, 104 citations have been issued statewide accusing businesses or other organizations of refusing to comply with the state's COVID-19 restrictions, according to Brian Ferguson, deputy director for crisis communication and public affairs at the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services. He referred a request for local specifics to the various agencies on the state task force.

But the agencies did not respond to requests for comment or were unable during a three-day period to turn up information on how many Kern County businesses have been cited for alleged failure to comply with the state's restrictions.

‘FIRST LINE’

Ferguson said the task force's primary goal is to collaborate across different levels of government and provide resources for coaxing businesses into compliance with state resources. Only organizations "thumbing their nose" are being targeted, he said.

"Day-to-day work is still going to happen at the local level," he said. "The county and local officials are always the first line of defense on this," he said.

Constantine said two state agencies that are part of the task force have contacted the county independently since early July to discuss enforcement plans. There have been only two meetings total since then, both covering the same ground, he said, and neither yielded specific information on the role local authorities are supposed to play.

The county's chief administrative officer, Ryan Alsop, said by email he views the state as being in charge of efforts to promote compliance with pandemic-related restrictions.

"The governor ... has asked local public health officials in counties across the state to not only support (state) directives but to also reinforce these orders through engagement and communication with the impacted businesses," Alsop wrote. "This is what Kern County has been doing from day one."

HANDS OFF

Representatives of the Bakersfield Police Department and the Kern County Sheriff's Office said they've played a minimal role in enforcing the state restrictions.

A KCSO spokesman said complaints are forwarded to the county public health department, while a BPD spokesman said the department sees its responsibility as educating community members and businesses on the restrictions "in an effort to encourage voluntary compliance."

Some local jurisdictions across the state have taken a proactive enforcement role. Elsewhere, cities have been threatened for allegedly refusing to do more to promote compliance with the state's COVID-19 restrictions.

Last week, Ventura County approved restraining orders against people and businesses refusing to comply with restrictions aimed at slowing the spread of the virus. That came after a church in Newbury Park allegedly continued meeting indoors in defiance of state directives.

Also last week, prosecutors in San Diego filed misdemeanor charges against a gym owner accused of continuing to operate in spite of state orders.

WITHHOLDING MONEY

Late last month, California officials acted to withhold hundreds of thousands of dollars in state money from Atwater and Coalinga over concerns local officials were knowingly permitting businesses to continue operating in violation of restrictions out of Sacramento.

Constantine said he has no reason to believe state officials disapprove of Kern government's handling of COVID-19 restrictions.

In many cases, he said, the problem appears to boil down to legitimate misunderstanding among business owners.

"The (state) guidance documents are confusing and it's just not clear" exactly what the state expects of businesses, he said.

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Masked 2020

Dr. Zippy..... "rear" relating to masks....just how are you wearing your mask?...

Zeppo

I meant to say "read" but I didn't proofread my writing. Glad you noticed!

Zeppo

From what I have rear relating to masks..........no one knows which ones actually work!

Masked 2020

month six of the pandemic ....... thank you proto for splaning 2 Dr. Zippy which way is up....

Zeppo

Why should the people who wear masks care if others do not? It's their choice to take the chance of infection.

proto

There are a number of reasons people who wear masks should care if others do not.

1. The mask is meant to protect others around you, as it prevents your germs from getting out. It does not however protect you from the germs of those not wearing a mask. 2. If everyone had complied with mask wearing and social distancing from the beginning, the infection curve in Kern County would have flattened before now and businesses and schools could have safely re-opened. When only some comply and others do not, it puts the economic well-being of all at risk. 3. Finally by not wearing a mask, you are increasing the risk to health care workers -- and frankly as a make wearer I resent you for being so selfish.

Zeppo

You can resent me all you want.......I wear a mask........it was merely a question. I was unaware that if others did not wear one, you were still unprotected from their germs. Keep your shirt on!

Zeppo

It was merely a question. I wear a mask. I was unaware that even if masked, you could still not be protected from the germs of others. Keep your shirt on!

Zeppo

It was merely a question!!!! Darn...............

Mrknowitall

Congrats KC. Number One county in California for infections. I told you this was going to happen. Yup. And folks ares till 'confused". About what? People can lie-- but numbers can't. It's not testing-- what a weak defense. It's the raging numbers going to hospitals. Those numbers are facts; cannot be spun. And Bako 'officials' say they are confused despite two meetings with state officials. If u believe that... you were likely born in Bako. These officials know what the preventions asre. Close the bars and eateries, and the non-essential biz. OR be the butt of jokes as the dumbest county in the world... and criplle your fellow citizens by staying open and spreading and hurting folksby your selfishness. News Flash--and it aint fake: NObody of note is raising the alarm of the damage done to those who get infected, but are 'assymtomatic'. Guess what? Studies show that EVERYone who gets the virus will have long-term heart inflammation issues as wll as other organ problems. So-- why would ANYone be silly enough to go out in the virus and act like everything is normal? Just tells us that human beings in the US are just not very smart people overall. But when the bill comes due--YOU will be the ones living with the pain and medical bills you never saw coming. If ya opened yer eyes--- and ears-- and just for ONCE--listened to somebody, umm like the the top guy Trump hired--Fauci--yup Trump hired him--you could all save youreself a lot of misery. 5 million. The way u guys keep spreading it will be millions more who get to suffer. You will one day look around and say, "What happened?" YOU happened.

The Independent Voter

MrKnowNothing returns. I rarely get past the first sentence. You're not just boring - you demonstrate you actually DO know nothing at all!

Gene Pool Chlorinator

I see Cajones has allowed the prodigal son to return...

Welcome back after a month off, Mrknownothingatall!

Yes, you've said a lot of things, most of which border on lunacy.

Let's talk about facts- first, you predicted that we'd have more than 10,000 dead here from the virus...Fortunately, your number was VERY highly inflated...

Second, you told me my home was (somehow overnight) only worth half of what it was before the pandemic. News, omniscient real estate guru- my neighbor just sold his house for an amount exceeding its value back in 2006 (the boom).

Third- my stock portfolio is no longer in the negative range YTD. My advisor and I made some good moves (purchasing a large amount of Apple stock in early April has paid off big time, for example). You really aren't as smart as you think, but since you turned down a PhD from MIT, that shouldn't surprise anyone... LOL

JR

It doesn't matter if it's a tiny business or the state or federal government, it's all the same politics. Those at the top never listen to or take the advice from someone below them,.who's on the firing line and knows what the problems are and how to fix them. It just never happens. Why? Because it's too much trouble. They just want the title, not the trouble. And besides, they don't have to. So, the business slags along, when it could be far more successful. And the government spends all its time defending itself instead of taking democratic and proactive and dynamic actions.

patraps

I still believe businesses are aware of compliance yet are ignoring compliance any way. Ignorance is no excuse in a serious pandemic! I also see daily at outdoor dining restaurants people leaving their vehicles and returning to them not wearing masks. These people are not socially distancing at their tables with no masks on when they are talking and waiting for their food, nor putting on masks when going to the rest room. These restaurants and staff need to enforce this proper behavior or be closed period. Obviously the patrons really do not care about the establishments they are dining at. Stay home then people!

The Independent Voter

Dead giveaway the COVID drama is absolute BS is the fact that there is now, much to my irritation, majority compliance with masks. Go to the stores - majority is complying. And we're STILL seeing numbers rise?? Ooookkaaaayyyyy. Do masks work? Obviously not. Only real TOOLS - the useful idiots - are buying this nonsense. Yes, there are a LOT of them. Thank God I was blessed with independent thought, a will of my own and the ability to reason and research. But we, as Californians, must like this because we continue to put up with it.

proto

I am not sure where you shop, but take a stroll in Home Depot or Lowe's sometime for a trip to a bona fide petri dish of germs because people are not wearing masks. Majority is simply not enough, it only takes one person to take the infection home to their family of four. Please don't bring God into this as I am sure he or she is frowning at the unwillingness of people to work together than independent pontification, and there are states other than California where you could choose to live.

The Independent Voter

When I shop, I do curbside pickup. You should do the same, Frodo. And I'll bring God into the conversation whenever I choose - again, not your call, though progressives like you love exerting your will over others. Not this time, friend. News flash:. The world is a petri dish of germs ready to sicken you at any time. Speaking of choosing elsewhere to live, Frodo, perhaps it is YOU who should go elsewhere if anti-maskers are ruining your day. The Bay Area, maybe, where you can March in goosestep with your fellow socialists?

Mangoman

The statement that says and I quote "In many cases, he said, the problem appears to boil down to legitimate misunderstanding among business owners.

"The (state) guidance documents are confusing and it's just not clear" exactly what the state expects of businesses, he said" is not true the county needs to grow a pair and take care of the citizens. Every place I go into that is not practicing social distancing or mask-wearing I will ask the owners of the employees if they are afraid of getting the virus since they're not wearing a mask and I remind them that it is state-mandated that they wear a mask and their customers wear a mask they tell me they're not worried about it or they told me they don't even think the coronavirus is real. I see other states taking the matters into their own hands oh, it's pretty obvious that the federal government is not going to help us. So that being said the state government needs to step up and keep us all safe. And his idea of opening schools did we not learn anything from the other schools across the country that have opened and had to close due to coronavirus outbreak. This isn't so minor that it's like you just get a cold from this virus you could actually die. Also it seems kind of strange to me that the government is only open for essential business yet the government wants the citizens of the United States to get out there and go back to work whether it's safe or not.

The Independent Voter

A critical error in your thinking, Mangoman - depending on state or federal government to keep you safe. Try exercising some personal responsibility and keep YOURSELF safe. Manage your own affairs. If you feel more secure wearing a mask, abdolutely do that. As for what the rest of us are doing? Mind your own business. Let individual businesses and their employees determine their needs and preferred level of risk. If you don't like how they are conducting themselves, go elsewhere. Why must progressives micromanage everything everyone else does? The government's job should be to suggest and advise - and let citizens personally determine course of action based on information provided. I know how to keep myself and those I love safe - I don't want or need your input or interference to do so. Stay out of my life and decision making process.

casones

WHY MUST MONKEYS LIKE YOU LEAD THE CONSERVATIVE CHARGE TO LET PEOPLE DECIDE. HEY CLOWN REPUBLICAN LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE TO DRIVE UNDER 16, SMOKE AND DRINK UNDER 21, NOT WEAR A SEAT BELT, MOLEST YOUNG CHILDREN LIKE EPSTEIN, ASSAULT WOMEN LIKE TRUMP, MURDER INSTEAD OF DIVORCE, SCREW PORN STARS WHILE YOUR WIFE IS GIVING BIRTH, LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE PLANET OF THE APE REPUBLICANS.

The Independent Voter

We'll can discuss in depth, Cajones, letting people die after you acknowledge you and your party's preoccupation with murdering babies while releasing felons from prison to kill Innocents - or sometimes finish the job justice interrupted. And fix your keyboard - the CAPS LOCK IS STUCK AGAIN. Heh.

proto

I believe it is the responsibility of all citizens in a pandemic to care for one another. When some go rogue, it endangers all. Following your line of logic, murder should be allowed as a personal course of action even when the ten commandments advise not.

JR

Thank you for an honest and intelligent take on how the feds and local governments are handling this confusing and unregulated crisis. And especially when you bring up how the politicians are making sure they're safe but apparently, not demanding the feds step up and make not wearing masks and distancing a felony, punishable in local courts.

Veritas

I am all for people being required to wear a mask when around others out in public. I believe it is more important that people maintain physical distancing. But make not wearing a mask a felony? You need to get help if you truly believe such a asinine notion.

awol

Not wearing a mask a felony...? Wow.

proto

It is such a shame that the few who are not following the rules are in fact ruining it for everyone. They have endangered the health of citizens and the local economy. However, there is no way to convince those hard heads that they are not the center of the universe, that their personal responsibility is to work together to fight this pandemic.

proto

The state guidance documents are adequately understood in many other California counties where people understand the risks and are working together. There are simply too many anti-government naysayers in Kern -- and our local newspaper is not doing a very good job of encouraging its citizens to follow state guidance. It really is not rocket science.

Airdog44

How about the County ignore dumbo Newsome? Secondly how bout those Rats calling in businesses trying to survive Get A Life😡

JR

That's EXACTLY what those call-ins are all about: getting and keeping their lives.

awol

We live in a country that celebrates freedom, liberty, and independence... and oh yeah, being a good citizen by snitching on your neighbor for not wearing a mask? You control you... you don't control them. You don't like it, stay a safe social distance away from them.

Zeppo

Correct!

casones

how about your clown king who is the president? blame newsome for one state out of 50 instead of your king? over 5 million cases in 50 STATES! NOT CALIFORNIA! OVER 160,000 DEAD IN 50 STATES, NOT CALIFORNIA!.AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE 50 STATES IS WHO? OMG! YOU CLOWN!

The Independent Voter

Take a online course in Government, Cajones. You lack basic knowledge. Actually, you lack, period.

The Independent Voter

Dweeb is still at it, I see. Making no sense, contradicting previous statements, and totally ignoring facts and common sense. The numbers are skewed - the database was screwed up? Give me a break. Enforcement of The Guv's supreme commands are unenforceable unless you are a small business owner coerced into some license to operate. The rest of us? No submission - not now, not ever. We see what this is really about because progressives are too obvious and always tip their hand.

JR

It's both sad and scary that there are so many people like yourself out there calling the Covid-19 pandemic a hoax. I know you don't believe that because no one could be so nutty as to think the entire world, every country, would conspire against YOUR freedom. I'd like to know the real reason behind your denial. Is it because your father never said he loved you?

The Independent Voter

Oh, my father told me he loved me. I'm sorry you didn't have one, JR

Zeppo

Poor JR probably didn't have a father.........boo hoo...

The Independent Voter

Zeppo, JR lacks more than a father.

Vico17

Right on!

Vico17

Right on Independent Voter!

casones

OK TOUGH GIRL! YOU HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED CLOWN!

Unionpacific

There are some major issues

The masks have to meet health standards. Just like any product the maker makes a claim that the product does the job of screening covid effectively or it has disclaimer that states the mask does not protect against covid. It is the law over all products and the FDA regulates that. It is also a public health issue. If the state is forcing people to wear masks that do not protect against covid then the state is endangering the people with false information and a fake product. Every person should demand to see the disclaimer on the package of masks. the decrees imply that masks and social distancing help prevent infection. That means only some masks qualify and bandanas to home made face coverings would not do.

then you have the lockdown. Taken by itself its purpose is to close down business and have them go bankrupt. Using Covid as an excuse fails since lockdowns have never used to deal with an infection. Those pushing and enforcing the lockdown have no point of reference in history to base this action as an effective method to contain an infection. a lockdown is not a quarantine. The only times governments have come close to shutting down their own economies were in the face of wars and insurrection demanded curfews or as a way to destroy a captured nation.

Zeppo

You are correct! By making businesses go bankrupt, Dems can then blame Trump, or they want to remake the U.S. by getting rid of guns, eliminate the borders, give free healthcare to all, including illegals, censoring all speech, ertc.

proto

You are absolutely incorrect about masks. Cloth masks prevent your droplets from entering the air and infecting others. Any cloth mask will do this as will a bandana which covers your nose and mouth. Homemade masks work. Read the CDC guidelines. There are only a few types of N-95 masks that will keep droplets OUT and at this time they are not available to the public. Which makes it all the more important that each person wear a mask so he or she does not infect others.

Then you have the sheltering in place (not a lockdown, sir.) The evidence that this was needed and effective was in Asia where the governments have effectively instituted such measures to stop flus, viruses, oh and the coronavirus. You might want to look at some pictures of the 1918 flu epidemic in the US, where guess what: people wore masks to contain the spread of the infection.

Masked 2020

sounds like to dumb me that lots of folks dropped the ball.....and Gavin should of never ever listened to NakedDon and his deplorables...........A major reason that California’s COVID-19 numbers soared in July was because Newsom opened up the state before he had the testing and contact tracing capacity that he — and the best science available — had said was necessary to contain the spread of the virus. California residents and businesses share in the blame for not taking the most basic safety precautions, such as wearing masks outside of the home.

Masked 2020

oh and Chlorinator.... I selected this 4 u 2... from your MercuryRag............ Even I could write an editorial if I took a class......California’s worst natural disaster: How coronavirus compares to other killers Unknown nine months ago, the virus has outpaced wildfires, earthquakes — and the flu By Leonardo Castañeda | lcastaneda@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group PUBLISHED: August 7, 2020 at 6:08 p.m. | UPDATED: August 8, 2020 at 4:18 p.m. Coronavirus’ rampage through California has now made it the worst natural disaster in the state’s history, outpacing decades of wildfires and earthquakes. As the surge continues, it is on pace to be the third leading cause of death in the state this year, a stunning potential milestone for a disease that was unknown nine months ago. But the numbers capture only a fraction of the agony the virus has caused, considering the lingering health impacts and survivors’ pain, not to mention the societal disruption.

On Thursday, the state passed 10,000 deaths from COVID-19 since San Jose’s Patricia Dowd, 57, became the first known fatality from the virus in the United States on Feb. 6. The death toll appears to have eclipsed suicide, hypertension, influenza and diabetes to become the seventh leading cause of death in the state in just six months, judging from 2018 mortality numbers from the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention. “This number, 10,000, doesn’t remotely represent the worst” coronavirus could do, said Dr. Steven Goodman, an epidemiology professor at Stanford University. “It could easily be at a level close to cancer or heart disease in a year if we didn’t do anything.”

Gene Pool Chlorinator

@Yuckies: Yup, looks like your "Guv" is doing a GREAT job- thanks for making my point...

casones

HE'S DOING FANTASTIC! HOW ABOUT YOUR KING? "IT WILL JUST GO AWAY!"

Gene Pool Chlorinator

@Cajones: You really think he's doing a "fantastic" job?

My God man, there is absolutely no hope for you.

And take your CAPS LOCK off- yelling doesn't make anything you say correct, just an FYI for you... :)

proto

Counties in California and states across the nation DID NOT follow opening guidelines, that is most opened without meeting the standards. The fact that so many Kern folks did not follow the mask and social distancing guidelines even BEFORE reopening began is what caused the failure. Get your facts straight instead of pontificating the standard incorrect conspiracy theory nonsense

Masked 2020

Chlorinator are you saying "now" we should of stayed locked don?......A major reason that California’s COVID-19 numbers soared in July was because Gov. Gavin Newsom opened up the state before he had the testing and contact tracing capacity that he — and the best science available — had said was necessary to contain the spread of the virus. By Mercury News & East Bay Times Editorial Boards |

August 8, 2020 at 6:10 a.m.

Gene Pool Chlorinator

@Yuckies: So, you are saying it was your "Guv's" fault, after all?

Welcome to the pool of sanity- jump on in, the water's fine...

Masked 2020

you tell em...Moardeeb.... those foolish... foolish little Live Mask Free or Diers...their crybabies just like Matt...".its Gavin's fault..its Gavin's fault"...such a broken record...........never ever is it NakedDon's doing........now watch em start baying......"were not sycophant's we're Independents"...such BS....their all playing Ring Around the Rosie with Naked Don's long long Red tie.......

Veritas

You know what is really funny yuckies, every time you write something on here you hurt your own leftist cause and you can’t even see it. If you could argue intelligently, then maybe it would be interesting. The foolish never learn...

Gene Pool Chlorinator

"you tell em... Moardeeb" said no sane person EVER...

FWH3372

Those other countries as you say are used to being told how to live. It is harder for a free country to live under suppression. It isn't normal. Sorry comrad

Zeppo

Gov. Nuisance just loves to have this control, doesn't he......businesses should be allowed to open. They will use masks and should be allowed to make a living! Nuisance doesn't care; he gets a salary no matter what, so it doesn't affect him. These "officials" who tell everyone to not return to work all have money coming in. Citizens don't have this.

PopTart

Let the businesses open...!

Moardeeb

This is what happens when you have no cohesive or even an attempt at a Federal response. Trump left it up to the States to figure it out on the fly. You try managing 40 million people on a pandemic.

Other countries figured it out. And the people cooperated. People here are spoiled selfish brats. That's why we lead the world in infections and deaths. Open up everybody screamed! Well you got your wish.

Gene Pool Chlorinator

Dweeb, again, your selective memory raises its ugly head.

Not that long ago, you were lauding your "Guv's" response, praising him daily on this forum.

Now that things are crashing around him (see recent editorials from the Sacramento Bee and Mercury News, among others), you're going to excuse him of his duties and blame POTUS for what's happening under Gavin's direct watch?

"Managing 40 million people" is exactly what he signed up for when he ran for office...Own it...

casones

HAHAHAHHAHAH "IGNORANCE BREEDS STUPIDITY!"

The Independent Voter

Yes, Cajones, and you are the poster person.

Gene Pool Chlorinator

@Cajones, you prove that with every post.

Did you ever get your GED? Inquiring minds want to know...

Veritas

‘deeb, ‘deeb, ‘deeb.... You can try to blame Cali’s woes on whomever you want, but the bottom line is your ‘Guv’ is the one who failed to lead, made horrible decisions, and simply can’t get the job done. It’s not just about the pandemic, he has done nothing for the elderly population, homelessness has been getting worse, he blew most of the state’ surplus before the pandemic hit, and the list goes on. Face it, he is incompetent and he needs to go. I’d even be happy if Moonbeam came back.

www.RecallGavin2020.com

cthruu

So you think it is hard to manage 40 million people for Gov. Newsome, but it is Trump's fault - and why? POTUS has to manage 330 million people! You also forget the Constitution. This is a Republic where Federal Govt rights are supposed to be limited. That is exactly what Trump has done. He has let the Governors manage their states, in close consultation with them. Don't forget that in the beginning Governors Newsome and Cuomo both praised Trump's and Federal Government's cooperation in managing the crisis. But, the election is coming so everything must be Trump's fault. Correct? Even riots, Antifa, everything is his fault!

Veritas

Don’t use facts cthruu, you’ll confuse them.

JR

If "them", refers to those who support wearing masks and distancing, then your comment is ironic. Because it's those who call Covid-19 a hoax or conspiracy who's being confused by the facts. But it's also hypocritical to deny science in some areas, like the coronavirus, but when it comes to taking meds or getting doctor recommended surgery, they don't hesitate.

Veritas

Thanks for proving my point JR, especially since you are one of “them”. lol

JR

I gave up trying to understand how anyone could continue to defend such a blatantly dumb, ignorant, corrupt, lazy, racist, misogynistic piece, months ago. But I figure it's time to address the situation again because of Covid-19 and it's potential for devastating, not only the US, but the entire globe. If your father never told you he loved you, sorry, but don't take it out on the rest of us. Just suck it up and start wearing a mask and distancing yourself. His father probably never told him he loved him either.

awol

I agree with you... Biden is all those thing as well as being mentally deficient due to dementia.

The Independent Voter

No mask here. I don't baaaa.

Bodysnatcher

You’re right JR. Biden is all those things you listed.

JR

Exactly. What a bit of bad luck that the US elected the worst president in our history at the same time this deadly coronavirus hit. It's the same as having no president at all. And it IS a Mad Max scenario,. Because, as we speak, 250,000 bikers are meeting in Sturgis, SD. And none of them are wearing masks or distancing themselves. And after this rally is over, 250,000 people go back to their home states, scattered all over the country. How do you think this is going to affect the spread of Covid-19?

Vico17

Tell me about Antifa and BLM gatherings in Seattle and Portland again. I like how you spin a story.

Hey, weren't you all Antifa snowflakes supposed to go show the bikers in Sturgis 'whatsup'? What happened? Momma didn't let ya go?

Zeppo

.....and what do you think Biden would have done, since we have never encountered anything like covid before, and no one, even "experts," knew exactly what to do????

awol

Live free or die...

Gene Pool Chlorinator

@JR, gee I don't know- how do you think all of the hundreds of thousands of protesters affected the spread? And if you say they didn't, you win the Hypocrite of the Day Award...

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